/sp/ - Football

>>22203
Weird that youre cool with adult setting on furaffinity.
I know most wont get the reference, but classic

>Reads OP
So all people should entirely totally trust NPC definitions as is got it.
>last thirty to fifty minutes
That happened I guess.
>>22108
Here's a (You) Bronco post anon.

>>22204
When did the mlp fandom start tho?

>>22200
Even the Egyptians were just practitioners of animism that have been prevalent since the dawn of man. It's only in 1983 (after ponies were already a thing), that people said the concept of anthropomorphic animals are "furry".

>>22209
The day the product launched.

Also, nice touch with the video response bot. Totally lends credibility

>>22213
Nobody cares but you.

>>22212
Wow, youre precious

>>22214
Thanks Stix/Lotus

>>22216
You're silly.

>>22213
Credibility for what?

Ponies are not furry.

>>22220
True

>>22222
Digits speak wisdom
https://youtu.be/WzmBhAiJvcY?feature=shared

>>22222
Checked.
That was easy.

>>22222
Erhmagherd he got trips! This completely sublimates objective reality! Ponies are saved cuz a faggot on a board made a post with numbers!

>>22226
Now you get it
https://youtu.be/EtGcUSmPUuU?feature=shared

Now who is irrationally superstitious?

>>22222
This.

Quids tell no lies

>>22226
>Still denying that furries are Egyptian

>>22226
Basically, it's more trusteorthy than how NPC definitions are generated.

Too quick

>>22218
Is this "Stix" in the room with you right now?

>>22228
Kek has blessed us with truth speaking digits

>>22236
So, you believe in digits?

>>22228
We believe in meme magic here.

>>22239
Sure you do. Is that a yes, tho?

>>22237
You don't?

Kek has blessed us.

>>22242
With WHAT?

>>22243
The truth >>22222

>>22236
On account of following a higher being now I have to disagree slightly and say it's divine sovereignty of the Almighty.
Who can and does use proxies to submit HIS message.

>>22 →>>22245
A lie with numbers? That is your blessing? Are you such a waif?

>>22247
You keep using that word. I don't believe you know what it means.

>>22249
Which word?
Castigate all you want, you know what I have said is objectively true. And still, you regail.
Any more from y'all, and your pre programmed bot (cuz notjing says "youre wrong like a prompted youtube link)?

>>22247
>>22250
Refute >>22200

Actually congratulations on getting a thread to somewhat mimic channel type threads.

What else is missing that is desirable?

>>22226
Oh shut the fuck up, you stupid nigger.
You're sitting here refusing to engage arguments because this thread is "not the venue" for them, and getting buttrustled over YouTube links, and comparing people who disagree to troons. Now you're getting triggered over some of us in this thread having fun checking dubs like a healthy image board should? Blow it out your ass.

>>22252
Only when you refute my points scholastically. You're all a bunch of liars (and thieves, but we'll focus on your dereliction of truth for the moment).

>>22255
You didn't refute my arguments either.
You won't, because you can't.

>>22254
Youre likenable to troons, theres been no contest

>>22258
>no contest
In your mind.

>>22260
In evidence

>Bots are nao allowed here
Nice precedent, I'll consider it in the future.

>>22261
That's a dumb comparison. You can compare anything to troons if you do that kind of logical leap. What's the point then?

>>22263
He's literally just posting links.

>>22265
I can claim to be doing the same thing, lel.

Lest anyone wonder how mlpol became what it is

>>22268
I do like ponies tho.

>>22271
That's good.

>>22271
furfag

>>22267
Oooooh nooooo! He might spam for 15 minutes. I'm sooooo scared!

>>22273
Not like that.
>>22269
Eh, maybe you should've stayed. Bit out of the loop from I can gather from u.

>>22255
You point has already been refuted scholastically using your own logic. See >>22112

It's established that one group predating another has a causal relationship towards the existence of the later group. It's also established that the Ancient Egyptians were the first to raise anthropomorphization to the level of fandom. Thus, furries are an offshoot of the egyptians

Fun>>22275
Funny, its apparently okay sometimes

>>22275
I dunno, I'm always lurking and you guys do seem to be pretty slow.

>>22263
>Multiple people are against me! It must be bots!
Imagine losing an argument to literal bots this badly

>>22277
So, youre saying that because people worshipped (incl sacrifice) ppl to animal icons, that thats somehow comparable to people dressing in unrelated furry suits?
Is it the suit that makes them the same?

>>22222
Hu hu hu hu.

>>22280
Uh huh.
What's your point?

>>22281
Not OP.

>>22281
>pretends there isnt a youtube bot
Nigga please

>>22287
Eh, I might buy he's actually posting links. With flappy's playlists and all that.

>>22282
Your saying that because people worship horse icons, that's somehow comparable to unrelated furry suits?

>>22285
Nothing at all, I wouldn't do anything that's not on everyone's best interests.

>>22290
No, Im using the defined terms. Look them up.

Furry = Person interested in anthropomorphic animals OR a genre that includes anthropomorphic animals

I didnt write the shit, but shit was written, and thats what peiple see

>>22289
Yeah. He was even able to respond with requests for epona vids. That's not bot behavior.
He's just shitposting to trigger OP.

>>22293
Gaslight harder

>>22292
But why those terms?

>>22293
Epona blessing upon you
https://youtu.be/ejxyt5zYdps?feature=shared

>>22295
What difference does it make if it's a bot or not?

>>22282
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A99G6O721gA&pp=ygUQc28geW91cidlIHNheWluZw%3D%3D

I'm saying that the Egyptians anthropomorphized animals, made them into literal gods, and then made art of them. They are the origin of anthropomorphizing fandom, of which furries, bronies, and all others are but an offshoot.

>>22292
There are no defined terms. There is no authority on deciding what a furry is or isn't. It appears in no dictionary. Your "definition" is cobbled together from wiki articles and your personal biases, and has gaping holes in it as you refuse to apply it to various spiritual practices that date back to the dawn of man.
Ponies are a fandom independent from furries. They have key differences in their depictions. They are no more furry than Egyptians are.

>>22300
Yes those terms are objectively stupid that's my point.

>>22299
Do you know where you are?
That used to mean something, once

>>22305
Cry harder, faggot.

Requesting rick roll but pony ai cover.

>>22307
Finally, some honesty!

>>22305
Furbooru?
Really now, what difference does it make? It's not a valid argument, you shouldn't take it too seriously anyways.

>>22292
Egyptian god appreciator = Person who thinks that depicting animals as having human traits is pretty great, including furries, Celts, Christians, Disney fans, Bronies, and so forth

>>22307
"Its fine that theres no integrity to the site, so long as Im in charge"
Isnt that right?

>>22308
Can't find the AI version right now. Have this.
https://youtu.be/O2peNcpFKDE?feature=shared

>>22312
Does that involve wanting to fug lolicon ponies?

>>22314
Thanks

>>22312
I am willing to accept that both bronies and furries and are separate offshoots of mankind's tendency towards animism and anthropomorphizing concepts.

>>22313
I'm not in charge. I'm calling you a faggot.

>>22318
An acceptable compromise.
Congrats, you win.

Except, youre still here

>>22319
Sure you arent, and who cares?

>>22322
You, apparently.
Cry harder.

>>22324
No, I just want you to feel validated, since logical reason escapes you.

I will credit, assigning a bot to me doubles the post count off me. Clever

>>22327
He is literally just posting links.

>>22325
Pffft

Tell him to stop then, just to prove he can

>>22318
Animism seems to be the longest and oldest contender world wide.
Thus horsefuckery is technically be both an off shoot of Animism, Christianity, Natsoc ideals and the purity of an unsullied peoples.

>>22315
... I think that may be an innovation of the pony subculture

>>22333
I could, but why?
https://youtu.be/G7XvX0NY6rA?feature=shared

>>22334
>Thus horsefuckery is technically be both an off shoot of Animism, Christianity, Natsoc ideals and the purity of an unsullied peoples
Based, redpilled and true.

>>22334
Oh and sci-fi and fantasy due to the world not being Earth as it is known. Bringing it into the fold of myth and legend.
Which I think people who tell, listen to and create based off of stories are the actual core group which all these seem to fall into.

l>>22336
Thank you for - in this one instance - your honesty.
It was bad enough that it may have been a bot.
Far worse that it was one guy.
Dont think so?
Look up manufactured consensus.

Thats literally what drives this site.
And if you doubt, look at the response times. Its ALMOST like someone had a vested interest in obfuscating anything I said EVEN BEFORE they knew what I would say.
Very telling.

My point being to be of the horsefuckers is also to be genuinely human.

Bot! Post Griffonia Delenda Est!

>>22341
Only in your mind

>>22342
Sorry,gotta have my ids to get the bot to ejaculate on command

Y'all can have it

>>22339
Imagine being this triggered over some YouTube links

>>22341
You will only ever be a cute pony

>>22345
Aww....

>>22342
Found it

>>22341
The horse is an extension of the man.

>>22351
Yay!

>>22347
You still haven't refuted several of the arguments in this thread, and yet you expect others to take you seriously.

When God created Man and all the creatures, He saw how much the bonds could be between them all.
So woman was made as the companion unlike any other.
Equestrian ponies can't fully exist as they should be in this corrupted world.
Thus the ever lasting hope of Jesus Christ and God and The Holy Spirit. For true bonds beyond imagination.

>>22339
Are you high?

>>22339
>Look up manufactured consensus. Thats literally what drives this site.
Hitted the nail in the head. Good thing anyone with a three finger forehead can atleast participate with some success. Can you finally guess what I meant?

>>22355
God took unicorns away as punishment for eating the funny fruit.

>>22356
Did you read the above post? Not above mine, above yours?
https://youtube.com/shorts/5xU7JSN8cVc?si=QXZ0qtzDESWqE4YU

>>22358
Neigh. In the heart of God they roam in reverence. So enter God's heart once more in purity.

>>22355
But anon, the great hope is to go join your waifu in Equestria

>>22362
Equestria is in the new creation of all things. Without pain or death.

>>22360
5 seconds after an unequivocabme lapse
Clearly not a bot, mods wouldnt use such things

Hasbro did not advertise to furries, they advertised to girls to sell cute things doing cute stuff.
Lauren Faust did not advertise to furries, she wanted a series that had meaning and depth.
Adults found what was lacking in clown world, it wasn't furries. It's the longing people desire for a plethora in a living breathing story.
People love the characters.

>>22366
This.

>>22366
Lauren also said he regretted it at some point lol.

>>22368
She*

>>22368
Being kicked out with many people desperately wanting more and the whole vision turned to dust sucks.
Hasbro did her dirty. So to did some fanatics.
Her gift to help dashed by Hasbro as they went their way.
What else could be expected.

>>22368
Does it matter? She's still a loonie feminist. Her endorsement of bronies is to be expected, after all, emasculating men is at least one of the prime goals of feminism.

>>22366
This.
I love it.

>>22372
>Her endorsement of bronies is to be expected, after all, emasculating men is at least one of the prime goals of feminism
You are a fully manipulative piece of work.
She endorsed the audience, the fans, and after all, the customers. You attempt to smear bronies, and horsefuckers is kaput.

>>22372
>after all, emasculating men is at least one of the prime goals of feminism.
Feels batman
Who can say she didn't do a good job? From the looks of it I mean.

>>22371
>>22372
She wanted a series for girls that had some backbone and meat.
It happened that people on average enjoy something with higher qualities.
Does her political and social beliefs detract from the story? Luckily no.
Because a girl show that had depth and would be useful in someway is the purpose.
It wasn't a furry show about furries doing furry things bragging about being furry.
The show was itself. Furries happen to also be a subset of people who do/did happen to come across the show.
>>22375
A symptom of clown world manifesting.
The show itself on its own seemed to show an alternative to clown world.
That upholding godly values do matter. Personally, communally, nationally and further beyond.

>>22377
Hunh it got late fast going down memory lane.
Good morning, good evening and good night!

>>22377
Whatever helps you sleep at night I guess.

>>22374
If fax and logic is the same as "smearing" to you. Maybe you should work at the ADL. You fit the profile quite nicely.

Whatever happened to the (you)Tube spammer? Did the furfag bit your tongue?

>>22381
Hi there
https://youtu.be/EhFMt3a6Kec?feature=shared

>>22382
Da fuck.

Obedient like a puppy, how cute. Goodnight ladies.

>>22145
>Tell me about how your refusal to accept being a furry is different from their refusal to accept biology
This argument is extremely silly. Biological sex is something that exists and can be proven. A person is either male or female, and it can easily be proven which one a given individual is. “Furries” and “bronies” don’t exist objectively, they are concepts that were created in the human imagination and have no existence beyond whatever definition humans give those terms. One is only a “furry” or a “brony” if they self-identify as such.

>>22226
>This completely sublimates objective reality
Again, we are dealing with abstract concepts, not objective reality. I can’t tell if you’re a troll or just an absolute retard.

>>22201
>Furfaggotry existed before MLP
This does not prove a connection between the two.

>>22255
> Only when you refute my points scholastically.
You’re essentially arguing that one arbitrarily defined fandom is equal to another arbitrarily defined fandom because of some arbitrary definition you’ve settled on as fact. There is no way to refute your points scholastically because we are dealing with purely subjective concepts and you won’t accept any definition for these concepts other than the one you’ve arbitrarily settled on. You are an extremely silly person.

>Furry = Person interested in anthropomorphic animals OR a genre that includes anthropomorphic animals
Again, this is a purely arbitrary definition that you have settled on. “Furry” is an abstract, amorphous term. You present no arguments as to why this definition should be accepted over any others.

>>22303
This, ffs.

>>22222
CHECK

>>22387
I can't stress this point enough. To say that Mareschizos are furry "by definition" is absurd because the definition is not set in stone. OP did not present any authoritative source for this definition; the most he came up with was a screenshot from the first results on "Google".
Because there is no actual formal definition to the Internet-slang term that is the "furry fandom", the only real qualifying factor is self-identification. A significant portion of mareschizos do not self-identify as furries: this should be enough evidence alone that they are not furries.

>>22392
>cant comprehend timestamps
You guys are batting 1000. You were more compelling when pretending that Lotus stealing a gets has any meaning. Remember the waifu thief days?

>>22393
furscience.com

>>22395
............................................................................................................................................yeeeeeeeeah. Everything about this looks legit, all right.

>>22395
No bias here, lol.

>>22395
>>22396

Actually, I take that back. There's actually some useful info here.

https://furscience.com/whats-a-furry/

>The term furry describes a diverse community of fans, artists, writers, gamers, and role players.
>Most furries create for themselves an anthropomorphized animal character (fursona) with whom they identify and can function as an avatar within the community.
>Furry fandom is an inclusive term that describes the community of furries that span online, local, and international settings.
>Some furries wear elaborate costumes (called fursuits) or paraphernalia such as animal ears or tails, or represent themselves as anthropomorphic animals in online communities such as Second Life.
>Most furries represent themselves and interact with the fandom using fursonas that represent idealized versions of themselves—usually more outgoing, sociable, extraverted and confident than themselves.
Emphasis mine. This description actually illustrates the differences between bronies and furries pretty clearly.

The furry "fandom" is not really a fandom in the traditional sense, ie a group of fans focused on a particular media property or fictional universe. Being a furry is more like a second identity: the person creates an alternate animal persona that represents an idealized version of themselves. The "fandom" is the broader community of people doing the same thing, and the act of engaging with each other while assuming these character roles. It's basically an elaborate role-play involving animal personas.

The MLP fandom has nothing the fuck to do with any of that. MLP is a conventional fandom, ie a group of fans that focus on the MLP media franchise (specifically the G4 franchise), and the fictional universe of that media. The MLP fandom has more in common with other conventional fandoms (Star Wars, LOTR, Harry Potter, etc) than it does with the furry "fandom."

The furry fandom is inwardly focused: "I have this animal identity, and this is who I am, and I like to interact with other people who have similar identities."

The MLP fandom is outwardly focused: "I like this cartoon series, its characters, and the fictional setting of its universe."

There is definitely some overlap: there are bronies who like to role-play and whatnot, some have their own self-insert OCs, and some seem to take it pretty seriously, ie "I identify as a pony." There are also furries who enjoy MLP and have pony-fursonas the same way that there are furries who like old Disney movies and draw their fursonas from those.

However, overlap does not equal dependency. The overwhelming majority of bronies, at least based on my (at this point extensive) experience, do not have pony personas or consider themselves to be ponies irl. Some do, but it's hardly a requirement for joining the fandom. Meanwhile, the furry fandom is centered around the personas that the individual participants create for themselves. These can be drawn from any number of different media properties/universes, or they can be products of the creator's imagination. Some furries like MLP, but it's not a requirement.

Thus, my original Venn diagram >>22099 was correct. There are furries, there are bronies, and there are furries who are also bronies. Separate concepts, separate categories.

Does anybody have that "Anons vs Bronies vs Furries" triangular chart meme that distinguishes three separate but coexisting factions of the MLP fandom? It was posted to this site years ago.

Even furries don't agree on what the definition of a furry is, but by the most conventional puridt understanding, pony fans are still not furry. Pony fans are furry-adjacent, with some overlap.

>>22401
Yeah, "pony is furry-adjacent" I think I could accept, but not "pony is a subset of furry" as OP seems to be arguing.

Incidentally I feel like there's a political-quadrant meme in there somewhere.

>>22398
>Most furries create for themselves an anthropomorphized animal character (fursona) with whom they identify and can function as an avatar within the community.
Most, with a notable exception amongst many of the individual factions, including (but not limited to) My Little Pony.
Literally, you're effectively trying to argue that Star wars ISN'T science fiction, because Star Wars fans behave differently than Star Trek fans.
If you cant see the fallacy in that, theres really no hope for you. Having a fursona (whether pony or not) is its self a subset of the "fandom" (which you accurately depict as not a fandom in the traditional sense, but more of an umbrella classification), just as people who exclusivrly center around MLP are a subset of the greater umbrella.
Dont cry to me, blame the internet for deciding these are the terms.
>but muh feels! People don't decide things like that
Uh, yeah, they really do. When the aggregate decides something is called 'something', that becomes objective. A penguin is still a bird, even if they dont behave like most birds.

>>22403
>Most, with a notable exception amongst many of the individual factions, including (but not limited to) My Little Pony.
Give me another major fandom example besides ponies.
>Literally, you're effectively trying to argue that Star wars ISN'T science fiction, because Star Wars fans behave differently than Star Trek fans.
Science Fiction is a genre, not a fandom.
Also, if you look at the world-building for Star Wars, and the literary archetypes, Star Wars is much closer to a fantasy franchise than it is science fiction (supernatural magic/faith system, balance between good and evil, sword fights, all the planets breath the same air for some reason). It merely uses science fiction aesthetics on a story that could effectively be told in medieval times. It speaks very little of the scientific meta-concepts and technologies presented in the field and instead simply borrows futuristic spaceman aesthetics to depict a fantastic world with little basis in science or even speculative science.
A lot of Star Wars fans actually say this.
>greater umbrella
Furry is no more of a "greater umbrella" than Egyptian animism is. There isn't even a dictionary definition of "furry", but a lot of the traits attributes to furries, even those described in the site you linked, do not apply to most pony fans.
>When the aggregate decides something is called 'something', that becomes objective.
Who is this "aggregate" you speak of? Is it the furry fandom hell-bent on assimilating pony fans? Or is it uninformed normies who have barely any background knowledge of what it means to have built this fandom for the past decade? Was there a poll involved?
Also, that's bullshit. Just be because 60% of the Western world validates troons as "real women" doesn't make them women.
>Penguin is still a bird
Bird is a scientific term, not a loosely-defined internet-slang term.
What you're saying is that a penguin is a reptile; and even though the most of conventional biology prefers to refer to birds as "avian reptiles", that doesn't mean that birds are not a separate and distinct class of animals than reptiles are.

By now y'all have prolly wondered:
Whats the point of all this insistance?
Ill quote furscience:
>Despite a history of bullying and significant social stigma, our research shows that furries benefit from fandom participation and interaction with like-minded others in a recreational environment, which is associated with greater self-esteem and greater life satisfaction. Despite negative stereotypes that pathologize or seek to “explain” furries in clinical terms, furries do not significantly differ from a control group (general population) with regard to their self-esteem, psychological well-being, or relationship satisfaction and, in fact, furries were more likely than the control group to have a better-developed, more coherent and stable identity.
This wont mean anything to those of you who were /mlp/ prior to /mlpol/, but for those who were JUST /pol/,....
Theres a wealth of more or less like-minded people you have allowed yourself to remain ignorant of because of stigma based on the undeserved reputation created by a few bad actors. Theres no question that there are notorious furries, as I referenced previously; pedos, faggots, degenerates, etc. I wont ever say that there arent furries who are observably degenerate. I assert that degeneracy is a result of probability when analyzing a large population; there is inevitable deviation (read: deviants) from what is conventional.
I dont expect most to be willing to admit or explore it; I'm a particular case and I split no hairs about that, in that my fursona is also a tulpa (with all the associate considerations, spanning from mind-virus to habitual proclivity). You do you, just try to be honest and objective about it.

>>22404
Yes, and by way of a team of actual researchers, years of study and analysis, and even government funding, Furry is now a specific (though also generalized, just as bird is when factoring for the multitude of varieties of) term.

>>22405
Pony fans do not benefit from being conflated with furries.
Furries poach our content creators.
Furries show up to our conventions and shit up the place with mountains of non-pony furshit.
Ponies flood our booru sites with anthroshit and furry versions of pony OCs (or, more often, furry OCs with a handful of pony sites) with barely any relation to ponies.
Furries demand furry content in pony spaces, eventually disenfranchising and replacing ponies in those spaces.
Furries try to oust Anons from sites, forums and conventions that we ourselves created, and then seethe and dilate when we make our own purist ones.
Furries switch their pony PfPs to furshit as soon as ponies stop being popular.
Furries relentlessly conflate us with themselves and try to annex us into their stupid fandom.
Furries tell us what we are and how we should behave, without taking the time to understand the nuances and differences that distinguish us.
Furries want us to be furries instead of Anons/bronies/mareschizos, just so that they can have more faggots and content in their own fandom, not for the benefit of pony content.
Furries are the biggest menace to the pony fandom and the greatest perpetrators of active decline and erasure of what we've built (as opposed to passive apathy and natural decline in popularity), and proactively try to cause collapse of the pony fandom on Twitter/boorus/boards so that the fandom will die, thinking after it's dead that we'll have no choice but to join them.

We are not furries. We don't want to be furries. We had no hard feelings for furries UNTIL furries started insisting that we are the same as them.

>>22406
According to a handful of furries.
Also, as Anon pointed out >>22398 there are many factors that distinguish pony fans from furries.

And that doesn't even count the biggest one: the general absence of therianthrope figures (beast-headed men), as the pony fandom is almost entirely centered around ponies with sapient minds and otherwise equine bodies.

>>22406
>by way of a team of actual researchers, years of study and analysis, and even government funding
The same people say that boys who pick up dolls once in their childhood should be put on HRT and cut their penises off.

>>22409
Citation?
>>22407
Pedantic I'll admit, but while your points are clear and concise, there's a sense of entitlement to your prose that suggests ownership and mandate. No one owns content creators, and if they decide to branch in non-pony directions, should they not be entitled to do so?
Has it occurred to you that a decline in Pony content might be related to the the idea that MLP is a subset of furries, in that content creators want to reach a larger audience? Not to mention the greater fiduciary incentive to producing content for a fandom that has a reputation for being "oddly well financed"? You almost had me going with the appeals to emotion ngl, but while you are entitled to have hard feelings about how random hypothetical boogieman-furries shat in your cereal, the fact that you're mad about it is only a result of your own refusal to acknowledge that as I have outlined: ponies are under the furry umbrella.

>>22408
How can you have not seen the movie?

>>22411
We are not fans of Capper.

>>22410
I can see I'm wasting my time here. You have repeatedly failed to refute or even acknowledge over a dozen arguments in this thread that have showed key distinctions between the factions and challenged to your obtusely vague definitions. You keep repeating yourself and talking past us instead of addressing the arguments. I'm done here.